TalkClimateChange

“The Arctic and Antarctic ice sheets are shrinking faster than ever predicted. Sea levels are rising faster than expected, the United Kingdom is experiencing consistent flooding, wildfires are raging throughout the world and temperature records are being continually broken.”

Oh, come on, really. The Arctic SEA ice reduced in area more than for the past few years, but only to about where it was, as best as can be told, at least twice in the last century, and it is now returning with a vengeance. The Antarctic sea ice was, at the same time at as great an extent as has been seen since 1979, when satellite observation started. As for the latest report, it seems that the ice melt is indeed man made, but only by the comparison of real world with a model. See
http://www.junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20080117.html
Sea levels aren’t rising and the flooding in the UK is a combination of severer weather than usual, gross neglect of the drainage systems and the stupidity of building on flood plains.
Wildfires have been in evidence since long before man started interfering, but then they simply cleared the underbrush at regular intervals. Now for a number of years, especially in the USA, wildfires have been stopped as soon as they started. Predictably, with 20/20 hindsight, it is clear that this was a dumb move, because the underbrush got thicker and drier, so, guess what? When a fire started it was big enough and hot enough to burn the tall trees that used to survive fires. Maybe man’s interference, but not glowarming.
As for temperature records being broken, we are in a warming phase, no-one disputes that, so of course they will be, but note that it is by infinitesimal amounts. It’s also worth noting that the unusual “Snow in Baghdad” was also the first time for 100 years! What caused it the last time? Not glowarming!

You’re kidding right? Absolutely nothing listed in the article is new; it’s all happened before and will happen again.

Of course the insurance companies will bemoan the fact that climate related disasters are costing them more money. My question to them is why they insure stupid people who continue to build and rebuild in harms way? Oh, because here in the US the government forces them to. But, none of that has to do with Climate Change, but everything to do with stupid people and stupid governments. If the government hadn’t interfered, the insurance companies wouldn’t have insured at risk homes, and people wouldn’t be building them.

Hear hear - stupid government stupid interference being at the heart of this stupid problem.

Every environmentalist on the planet seems to bemoan capitalism and free markets, yet most of the damage to the planet is done by governments subsidising industries that otherwise would long ago have stopped: overfishing, overlogging, overchanging land use in developing countries, overcutting things down in general, oversending people to war…

Echoing PJ O’Rourke, exactly how much would it cost on the free market to send 47,000 American men to their death?

Just a few additions and amendments to the above article.

http://www.mp2.worldfriend.com/sustainable_development_forum.htm

This is the source of the climate change terrorism risk assessment that is attributed to Sir David King and the origin of the agenda for the 2005 G8 Perthshire, climate change and Africa. This is covered in another post/comment on the site.

It refers to work done for the UK Government’s Cabinet Office. This is a small part of that, from December 2002. What it is attempting to do is change the legislative process of the UK to consider things that are put in the future, and bring them into the present. Remember this is from 2002.

http://celticlion.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/sd-and-the-legislative-process/

Though from 2002 it uses the example of sustainable flood prevention to justify changes in legal framework re policy. Accurate models of flooding in the UK were available and the strategy to prevent flooding.

As the media attention focused on Sir David King as the author of the climate change risk assessment those predictions were ignored. Therefore you have just witnessed £ 5 billion of predicted and preventable flooding.

The climate change risk assessment and the accurate predictions of flooding came from this originally. (This is just one page overview)

http://millenniumprojecttwo.blogspot.com/2007/01/millennium-dome-2001-proposal.html

This is the proposal to run the Millennium Dome as a centre of excellence in global environmental management. Note it does not mention climate change in keeping with my overall philosophy. This is the proposal the UK Government’s consultants wanted to back. This is the proposal that should have won on the competition criteria.

Had it won there would have been no flooding in the UK. An early warning system on environmental hazards would have been in place. 200,000 more people now alive in the SE Asian Tsunami. Also Katrina etc. etc.

I refer you back to the Government UNED submission. It is signed MP2 (Millennium Project Two) applied planetary engineering.

Your article though interesting, is not covering the facts. Had the UK Government gone for the environmental centre for the Dome instead of the venue. The whole climate change debate would have been resolved. There would be no uncertainty.

Due to the costs involved in climate change, large organisations were able to find the £2 billion to implement the project had the Government chosen it.

The environmental challenge of the planet could have been resolved in 2001. It is a political decision to allow flooding, fire, famine etc.

The media only want to report disaster and misery. They don’t want to report the solutions already exist.

What did Marshall McLuhan say, small secrets are difficult to keep. Large ones are protected by public incredulity.

I admire what you are doing but you are operating on a false foundation given to you. You might think Roger is making all this up. Surely the UK Government would not hide from the British people and the world that they had all the solutions to climate change, environmental disasters.

Well why don’t you click on this.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ecodome/

See even the Government do not deny the factual accuracy of anything I say. This will have all been checked out. The only reason why you or anybody else can not petition the Government to implement the solutions to climate change or planetary ecological life support system collapse is because that would amount to a commercial endorsement. Or reveal the fact that you and everybody else in the UK is not being told the truth about climate change or anything else to do with the planet.

Support the Celtic Lion initiative and create a better future for ourselves and this planet.

Global Warming is the biggest myth confronting society today. The fact of the matter is the earth has begun a cooling trend. Just look at the most recent data on temp. change in the last 5 years. Furthermore, high levels of CO2 are usually the sign of the end of a warming trend, and the start of a cooling trend. Just think about this winter and last winter and tell me that things have gotten sooo much warmer, the earth is a circle and has many different cycles.

“You might think Roger is making all this up.”

Yep, I do. Anyone else? Oh look, if you click on that link, the Government thinks you’re barmy:

“This petition has been rejected because:
It was commercial endorsement, promotion of a product, service or publication, or statements that amounted to adverts”

Go find somewhere else to spread disinformation.

I am with you Metyu.

He lost me right at the point where he said flooding was predictable and preventable.

If by predictable he means any river will flood sometime, I agree.

Preventable? I say you would have as much luck stopping the wind with a net.

“What did Marshall McLuhan say, small secrets are difficult to keep. Large ones are protected by public incredulity”.

Marshall sounds perfectly reasonable.

You however have just quoted yourself in order to defend yourself.

Enough said.

Of course I quoted Marshall again.

Truth doesn’t need or ask to be defended.

The truth is just put out there.

It’s up to you whether you believe it or not.

It’s not up to me to make you believe anything.